P&R I 25c Agriculture

[Otin]

Rein.
I don´t know what is MI2 or RR 2L, but I can tell you that in RR nítidos the vertical distance between suns are not always the samem sometimes longer than the standard 25mm.
José

[stamps9407]

Rein.
I don´t know what is MI2 or RR 2...

Jose, are Bardi's classification

Regards

[Rein]

Rein.
I don´t know what is MI2 or RR 2L, but I can tell you that in RR nítidos the vertical distance between suns are not always the samem sometimes longer than the standard 25mm.
José

José,

I measure the vertical distance between the alternate rows of Suns and that is 35mm for both RR 1 and RR 2! Whereas most other watermarks measure 30mm or 32mm [MI 2 = Austriaco].

saludos, Rein

[Otin]

Rein:
I assume your measures are suns center to center.
José

[Rein]

Rein:
I assume your measures are suns center to center.
José

José,

like these... L6 is Tony's code for Zárate ...


saludos, Rein

1L6

- the black line indicating the direction of paper - la línea negra indica la dirección de papel (eje de enrollamiento)
- the blue lines the virtual diagonals of the mesh - las líneas azules de las diagonales virtuales de la malla
- the yellow triangle formed by the hearts of 3 suns - el triángulo amarillo formado por los corazónes de los 3 soles
- the red line the distance from the heart of the suns within the line of AЯ - la línea roja la distancia desde el corazón de los soles dentro de la línea de AЯ
- the green line the distance between 2 identical lines of AЯ - la línea verde de la distancia entre 2 líneas idénticas de AЯ
- the violet lines the diameters of the Sun - las líneas de color violeta de los diámetros del Sol

Eje de enrollamiento: ortogonal al renglon RA
Malla simetrica
Forma malla: granulado, rombos con diagonal mayor parallelo al eje de enrollamiento
Sol: redondo
Diametro: 8 mm
Separación horizontal entre dos soles: 17.5 mm
Separación vertical entre dos lineas de RA: 30 mm
Letras RA:

Color: blanco
Espesor: mediano
Superficie: sin encapar - mate
Procedencia argentina Zárate.
Usado por primera vez en 1956.

Este papel es llamado de la siguiente manera por los diversos autores:
Rubiera: 1L6
Bardi, Moscatelli, Merlo: Zárate Granulado vertical



Direction of paper: orthogonal to the line of RA
Symmetrical mesh
Mesh - virtual shape: lozenges with the longer diagonal parallel to the direction of paper
Sun: round
Diameter: 8 mm
Horizontal distance between the hearts of the sun: 17.5 mm
Vertical distance between 2 identical lines of RA: 30 mm
Letters of RA: see picture above!
Manufacturer: Argentinean Zárate
Used for the first time in 1956.

This paper is named by various authors as follows:
Rubiera 1L6
Bardi, Moscatelli, Merlo: Zárate vertical grain

[Rein]

Rein:
I assume your measures are suns center to center.
José

José,

or like these...

saludos, Rein

Tony,

is this a 1E1 or a 1E3a????

to be continued ...

[Otin]

Rein:
I don´t take into account center to center distance because that distance can remain the same but the diwameters of the sun can vary.
José

[Rein]

Rein:
I don´t take into account center to center distance because that distance can remain the same but the diameters of the sun can vary.
José

José,


in that case you refer to the varying diameter as well!

saludos, Rein

[Otin]

Rein,
I precisely refer to varying diameters.
José

[Rein]

Combining the finds of "educ" and myself I made a page of all known characteristics for the 2nd [?} plate of the 25c Labrador:

http://www.galeoptix.nl//fila/arg_baseblock_25c_02.htm

The earlier plate(s) of the 25c do not have so many striking characteristics!

I will try to describe them based on a sheet of 10x10 with the ministerial M.J.I....

What we have seen earlier in the 10c Rivadavia [in typography though] is that there were TWO root blocks of 5x1! Not as we assumed ONE root block of 5x2.

A similar thing we see in the early 25c! TWO root blocks of 5x1 with very tiny dots as characteristics but spread over the 10x10 sheet rather unexepctedly.

to be continued ....

[Rein]

Cylinder/plate 1 [?] with root block no 1:

Column 1 of 5:




Column 2 of 5:





Column 3 of 5:



Column 4 of 5:






Column 5 of 5:



to be continued ...

[Rein]

Cylinder/plate 1 [?] with root block no 2:

Column 1 of 5:





Column 2 of 5:



This following characteristic is ALSO in root block 1!



Column 3 of 5:



Column 4 of 5:




Column 5 of 5:





to be continued ...

[Rein]

The counter-sheet of 10x10 can be divided into two parts:

the left half of 5x10 stamps (L) and the right half (R). Each half has 10 root-blocks of 5x1! But which???

Root block no 1 is to be found as follows:

L1, L3, L6, L7 and L9; R1, R2, R3, R5, R7 and R9 [L1 is row 1 of the left half; R7 is row 7 of the right half]


Root block no 2 is to be found as follows:

L2, L4, L5, L8 and L10; R4, R6, R8 and R10

to be continued ....