Foro de Filatelia Argentina

On November 25th, 2009 I discovered that the 5c Mariano Moreno in typography has had another type (type III OR a subtype of type II?) that probably showed up for the first time in 1939. It is a tiny detail in a stamp that everyone will find in their collection! Nothing rare probably!

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to be continued ....

A further study revealed the subdvision of type III, on coated paper with an orthogonal watermark both the regular gauge 30/20 as the coarse gauge 30/16 [1943]:

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In between the various printings on coated paper, there was a printing on non-coated paper for the 5c Moreno in typography: the so-called "mate lustroso" ....

Only the 5c. M. Moreno with an orthogonal watermark, symmetrical paper wire and the line of AЯ parallel to the short side of the stamp, but the direction of paper in all cases parallel with the long side of the stamp "M" *:

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So far we have found 3 types of the 5c Moreno in typography that had not been described elsewhere but for this Foro!

- type I or A - empty forehead
- type II or B - filled forehead, no dot under the "E"
- type III or C - filled forehead, dot under the "E"

Having a closer look even a new general characteristic of type A got noticed!

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This break in the frame is present in ALL stamps with type A!

Rein » 14 Sep 2009 11 escribió:
rubiera escribió: Yes, just like the 1 peso with map limits, the 5c offset is 1E1 only. BUT the 5c offset Servicio Oficial is 2D.

Si, como es el caso del 1 peso con limites, el 5c offset solo existe sobre el papel 1E1. PERO el 5c offset Servicio Oficial es RR difusos, o 2D.

Tony,
you wrote earlier that the 1st printing of the S.O. was on 1E3 - if you have look at my scans you will see a much neater watermark for the S.O. - and the later printing was 1E4. Now you mention 2D!

I would say both papers are there: the vertical direction of paper with 2D, the horizontal direction of paper with the 1E4!

That still bring us to the difference between 1E4 and 2D! or to the different perception of philatelists with the Rayos rectos!

I would not be surprised that the appearance of 2C - extremely well visible watermark [!] with long straight askew rays gave way to the "Rectos" (the line of AЯ mainly being horizontal] whereas with the line of AЯ being vertical the ondulation of the connecting rays was the striking thing.

How to distinguish 1E4 and 2D????

The 1E4 normally has a fluffy [floccolous/flocculent] surface at the back, the 2D hasn't! But the only certain way is to have a strip of 2 [or more] or a block of 4 in which you can measure the distance between alternate rows of Suns!

Rayos Rectos nitidos AND difusos have a distance of 3.5cm, all the other watermarks have 3.0cm!

The referenced 5c S.O. stamps have 2D as can be measured in a block of 4.

rc2091

The 5c Moreno in typography and in type III has several subtypes. The frequency is usually a lot higher than 1:10 - let alone 1:50 assuming to have base blocks of 50! Also, the details are minute and you might expect not to notice them at all taking into account the terrible printing especially on coated paper!

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The constant factor is the blob on the outer frame, the horizontal lines seem to hve them on irregular positions...

All have type III - the dot under the "E":

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The constant factor is the blob on the outer frame, the horizontal lines seem to have them on irregular positions...

All have type III - the dot under the "E":

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rc2115

Some time ago Tony Rubiera had posted about the 5c Mariano Moreno in typography and its repetitive characteristics:

rubiera » 16 Aug 2009 14:28 escribió: .......

Estos tres bloques contienen variedades de plancha repetidas las cuales se encuentran en hileras y lo mas probable en bloques de diez, como es el caso de otras planchas.

All 3 blocks support the existence of a root block of 5x2!

5 characteristics in the same horizontal row from left ot right:

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In one in the alternate row:

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That row has - only in the 3rd block - an extra characteristic of the stamp at the right of it:

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Although it wasn't mentioned by Tony, the 5c is the version with the empty forehead!

A horizontal strip of 5 has several minute characteristics apart from a few major ones, let us first pay attention to position 1 [of the assumed base block]

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Most of them characteristics Tony had already noticed!

Now we go to position 2 [of the assumed base block]

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None mentioned by Tony.

rc2184

Now we go to position 3 [of the assumed base block]

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All of them mentioned byTony!

Now we go to position 4 [of the assumed base block]

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Mentioned by Tony!

Positions 9-4-9 [if the root block is 5x2!] or 14-4-14 [if the root block is 10x2]:

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Now we go to position 9 [of the assumed base block]

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Tony mentions these characteristics only for his 3rd block!

Now we go to position 5:

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and position 6 (= 1st of the 2nd row of 5 in the root block of 5x2):

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and position 7 (= 2nd of the 2nd row of 5 in the root block of 5x2):

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and position 8 (= 3rd of the 2nd row of 5 in ther root block of 5x2):

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and position 10 (= 5th of the 2nd row of 5 in ther root block of 5x2):

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rubiera » 16 Aug 2009 14:30 escribió: Estos dos bloques tienen varias variedades repetidas, ningunas en el patron de cinco columnas y dos hileras que se ha encontrado en otros casos.