Foro de Filatelia Argentina

el 1-12-2008 rubiera coloco una serie de variedades del 2 pesos Fruticultura de las cales solo encontre hasta ahora entre mis sellos una, esta es el cuadro que puso
en el la variedad esta en el sello inferioe derecho, como se ve el cuadro tiene el vorde de hoja lo que indica que es sello pertenese a la 10º fila, en cambio el cuadro que tengo
la variedad esta en un csello que no pertenese aesta columna pues a la derecha hay otro.

la ampliacion es esta
encontre varios ejamplares de esta variedad los usados que tienen fecha legible son de 1952.

Sobre las otras variedades del 2 pesos no encontre ninguna ????

Aqui encontraras algunas variedades del 2 pesos, incluyendo la que tu muestras.

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... rs-2P.html

saludos

tony

rubiera escribió:Aqui encontraras algunas variedades del 2 pesos, incluyendo la que tu muestras.

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... rs-2P.html

saludos

tony

Tony,

We are still discussing the 3 types of characteristics that are supposed to be NOT part of the design.....

- 1st type - occurs in every stamp
- 2nd - occurs in a block of several stamps [usually 10=5x2 here] that gets reproduced as many timnes as necessary
- 3rd - occurs only once in a counter sheet - the real "plate flaw"!

What Educ has found - and you have found it much earlier - belongs to which type????

I had a look at my modest number of 2p stamps - some 125 all together irrespective of the paper type or S.O.

It is obvious that it does not belong to the first type!

If it belongs to the 3rd type? How many copies can I expect??? Statistically - with a sheet size of 10x10 - 2 copies at the most????

to be continued....

I counted 13 copies!

None of them had the blue dot above "Fruti"; most of them the brown dot underneath the "G":

Several brown scratches in the blue area:

Rein,

Nice find with this scratch!

Muy bien encontrado este arañazo

tony

Tony,

this one also occurs too often! Although I haven't seen it with the 1Ex papers.... I will scan the paper as well.

I found several characteristics like the diagonal scratch trough "fruti" too often...

Educ, Rein

The variety with the dot in the blue center at top is a master die variety to the 1950s plate, as are a few others.

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La variedad que menciona educ es una variedad a uno de los cliches maestros usados para construir la plancha, asi como lo son algunas otras variedades.

saludos

tony

In my 25x 1Ex's this occurs 6 times:

rubiera escribió:Educ, Rein

The variety with the dot in the blue center at top is a master die variety to the 1950s plate, as are a few others.

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La variedad que menciona educ es una variedad a uno de los cliches maestros usados para construir la plancha, asi como lo son algunas otras variedades.

saludos

tony

So if it occurs at the right end of a sheet we may assume that it can be found in the vertical columns 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10! And in the horizontal rows N, N+5 just like I found this lay-out in the 30c Ministerials?

Some of the blue AND brown scratches may seem familiar :

rubiera escribió:Educ, Rein

The variety with the dot in the blue center at top is a master die variety to the 1950s plate, as are a few others.

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La variedad que menciona educ es una variedad a uno de los cliches maestros usados para construir la plancha, asi como lo son algunas otras variedades.

saludos

tony

Tony,

It may turn out that there are only 2 sets of plates - pre-1950 and post-1950 with just a few master die characteristics! Why not publish them all? Not more than 10 in a master die?

The dot in the thin frame-line above the "U" + the row of tiny brown dots was in the pre-1950 master-die....

The post-1950 master-die had the blue dot in the centre; the diagonal brown scratch under "TIC"; the diagonal brown scratch through "FRUT" + the diagonal blue line going through the left frame; the blue dot above the first "T" of "Fruticultura"; the brown scratches under "A A";

That are already 5 out of 10 to describe the master-die! Five more to go!

goes with the dot in the "R":

The 20c Ganaderia - large size - may have some master-die characteristics like the blue scratch in the right corner of the left-hand value tablet:









The blue scratch in the lef-hand stamp, the right-hand stamp has got something else!



With a master-die characteristic I would expect to have some 10 copies out of the about 125 copies of the 20c!

Nowhere near! A grand total of 2 copies!