More countries with both parallel and orthogonal watermarks

[Rein]

In the DDR - German Democratic Republic during the period 1952-1956 two different types of watermark were used!

Watermark type I - orthogonal:

with two different orientations:

Direction of paper vertical:



Direction of paper horizontal:




Watermark type II - parallel:

with two different orientations:

Direction of paper vertical:



Direction of paper horizontal:



The Germans collectors do not care too much about directions of paper, they prefer to look at the shape of the characters DDR - whether the D is flatter [type II] or rounder [type I]...

They claim that the original pattern on the dandy-rolls [bailarin] is exactly the same and that due to the drying process the shapes have changed!

I am not sure whether I agree with them, but the very thought is not so bad! If it is true, then the sizes of the (RA+) Sun in Argentinean stamp paper might have been completely round [circle] and changed shape due to shrinking! Depending on whether the watermark was orthogonal [line of RA parallel to the axis of the dandy-roll] or parallel [line of RA parallel to the circumference of the dandy-roll] ...

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[Otin]

Rein,
Stupendous scans!!! I read your comments about Germans opinion re shrinking is hardly acceptable. I rather adhere to the idea
of a missinronization of speeds betwiien the dandy roll (BAILARÍN) and the wire endless cloth. When I asker Mr. Solís, in charge of paper manufacture for our Casa de Moneda at Celulos Argentina, why there were shapes of CdM watermark, first the round and then the oval, he explained me that the first one was produced in their Andino (Santa Fe province) papermil, while the second, the oval one, was produced in their Zárate plant (Buenos Aires province) because the Andino paper machine suffered a damage and then its dabdy roll was transported to Zárate and used in the Fourdrinier they used to produce Sun RA watermsrk paper. THis caused that, due to the diameter of this "extrange" dandy roll did not match the previous sincronization, resilting in elingated watermarks on paper.
For instance, I got samples on Wiggings Teape paper of grené and rayado vertical and if you superimposed both to the light ya can see distance between vertical suns, as a whole, differs a litle. in other words, for me, this can happen with paralell watermarks, as canbe seen in ALPAMIJ papers. I`ll be glad to hear your comments.

[Rein]

Rein,
Stupendous scans!!! I read your comments about Germans opinion re shrinking is hardly acceptable. I rather adhere to the idea
of a missynchronization of speeds between the dandy roll (BAILARÍN) and the wire endless cloth. When I asked Mr. Solís, in charge of paper manufacture for our Casa de Moneda at Celulosa Argentina, why there were shapes of CdM watermark, first the round and then the oval, he explained me that the first one was produced in their Andino (Santa Fe province) papermil, while the second, the oval one, was produced in their Zárate plant (Buenos Aires province) because the Andino paper machine suffered a damage and then its dandy roll was transported to Zárate and used in the Fourdrinier they used to produce Sun RA watermark paper. This caused that, due to the diameter of this "strange" dandy roll did not match the previous synchronization, resulting in elongated watermarks on paper.

For instance, I got samples on Wiggins Teape paper of grené and rayado vertical and if you superimposed both to the light you can see distance between vertical suns, as a whole, differs a little. in other words, for me, this can happen with parallel watermarks, as can be seen in ALPAMIJ papers. I`ll be glad to hear your comments.

José,

the GDR watermark images come from Peter Tichatzky who is about the only printing techniques expert in Germany with a more than general knowledge of all printing techniques, paper making etc. Alas, his age prevents him from taking much part in the information transfer - his last phenomenal book on the East German stamp production [2003] is worth having although you need to read German

So if I understand you well it is NOT the shrinkage but the synchronization! I am waiting for the continuing story on the ALPAMIJ and subsequent watermarks for the JSM with or without dot! He should have started with the pre-JSM or 1922 stamps as well...

saludos, Rein

[Rein]

In the British Commonwealth, the pictorial stamps of the late 1930-ies were printed in photogravure by Harrison & Sons! They bore the portrait of the King George first and after his death in 1952, the new definitives bore the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II.

The paper was watermarked and apart from the Royal Crown, it had the script initials of the Crown Agents [AƆ].

Just like the watermarks of Argentina stamps, we can await to find both parallel watermarks and orthogonal watermarks where the line of ƆA is parallel to the direction of paper or orthogonal / perpendicular!!!

Collectors of the British Commonwealth have never though about it - again Argentina Philately showed her avant-garde here !!! - but once you start looking for it you will find it!!!

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[Rein]

One of the British Commonwealth definitives sets in photogravure by Harrison and Sons belonged to the stamps of the island of Mauritius!

The 1953 Queen EII set was issued in counter sheets of 6x10 [landscape] or 10x6 [portrait], but already in 1954 when the 60c was issued, the sheet-size schanged into 10x10! Later on this eventually changed into 5x10 [landscape] or 10x5 [portrait]..... The last stamps with this script AƆ watermark were printed in 1962.

The script AƆ may remind us of the Argentina script AR watermark of the 1864 Rivadavias, also on British paper:



During 1963-1965 a few values were issued with a block AƆ watermark [10c, 60c, 2R50].

We can expect to find differences in paper to go with the changes!




The landscape stamps have an asymmetrical paper wire and would have been called "rayado" or striped in Argentina Philately! The paper comes from Wiggins Teape probably but who knows it was Samuel Jones or Portals???

The portrait stamps have the same type of paper but with the direction of paper turned 90 degrees in relation to the shape of the stamp. What counted here was to have the Crown upright! And not upside down!!!











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[Rein]

The 35c had the same watermark! But this time the paper wire got mirrored!! The steep diagonals at the right are at he left now!!

This also goes for the 60c stamp! But here we have the long expected parallel watermark!










Not only a parallel watermark, but also the densities have changed - a much more tighter wire resulting in a less steep diagonal!!!
24 horizontal lines per cm instead of 20/cm!

The preliminary results of this study: 3 [three] types of paper!!!!!

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[Rein]

Who may have thought that all this was completely irrelevant for Argentina collectors should see the variation:

The "rayado" - asymmetrical paper wire and orthogonal watermark of the QEII definitives:




and the variation also in the 1950 King George VI definitives!

Asymmetrical paper wire plus orthogonal watermark:




Symmetrical paper wire plus orthogonal watermark AND a lower density: 24/22 horizontal/vertical, called in Argentina: "TELA"!




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P.S.

Note the bilingual text [English/French] in the cancellation!

[Otin]

Rein,
What a good study on Mauritius stamps paper! I can see they have rayado vertical and horizontal, which indicates the existence of two dandy rolls: paralell and orthogonal.
But please tell me about Samuel Jones and Portals. I have the history of the Portals but it is the first time I hear about Samuel Jones. Saludos,
José

[Rein]

The 5c exist with both orthogonal and parallel watermark! The orthogonal has an asymmetrical paper wire!!









The orthogonal watermark has a symmetrical paper wire!! Like Tela:





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[Rein]

The 1 Rupee stamp has a very clear asymmetrical paper wire with an orthogonal watermark!









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[Rein]

Some more symmetrical paper wires for King George VI!





Tela - 24/22 horizontal /vertical:





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[Rein]

And even brown fibers!!!!

20c:







25c:





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[Rein]

The script Crown Agents watermark started in 1921...

We can see the Harrison & Sons printings of Gold Coast in 1928 with the orthogonal version and a symmetrical paper wire:





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[Rein]

The pictorials of the British Commonwealth printed by Harrison and Sons are a much wider spread phenomenon.

The Seychelles had a similar series in 1954 as Mauritius had, but the second part of that pictorials was issued in 1962 with a Block CA watemark!

And here too we see both an orthogonal and a parallel watermark!

Parallel:









Orthogonal:





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[Rein]

Rein,
What a good study on Mauritius stamps paper! I can see they have rayado vertical and horizontal, which indicates the existence of two dandy rolls: paralell and orthogonal.
But please tell me about Samuel Jones and Portals. I have the history of the Portals but it is the first time I hear about Samuel Jones. Saludos,
José

José.

Samuel Jones was the first world-wide supplier of self-adhesive paper for postage stamps!

The first booklets with self-adhesive stamps were issued in 1974-1975 for Gilbraltar printed in offset-litho by Walsall Security Printing! The trade-mark for this type was "Bend and Peel":



Samuel Jones was by then part of Wiggins Teape!






Where nowadays all philatelists are complaining about self-adhesives, the Samuel Jones paper is still OK!!!! After more then 35 years!





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