Brown fibers not just for Argentina!
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Brown fibers not just for Argentina!
The brown fibers we met in English paper [Wiggins Teape] in the period 1936-1944 used for Argentina stamps must be present in stamps elsewhere where stamp printing houses use the same manufacturer of stamp paper!
It is a matter of research and some luck as it apparently still is an impossibility to find these brown fibers by Argentinean philatelists!
A few Mexican stamps!
1938 5c plan de Guadelupe
The blue lines indicate the symmetrical wire; the red lines the direction of the line "Correos Mexico"
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It is a matter of research and some luck as it apparently still is an impossibility to find these brown fibers by Argentinean philatelists!
A few Mexican stamps!
1938 5c plan de Guadelupe
The blue lines indicate the symmetrical wire; the red lines the direction of the line "Correos Mexico"
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1938 10c Housing Congress
The blue lines indicate the symmetrical wire; the red lines the direction of the line "Correos Mexico"
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The blue lines indicate the symmetrical wire; the red lines the direction of the line "Correos Mexico"
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The 1934 definitives:
The same pattern as in Argentina!!!
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The same pattern as in Argentina!!!
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The 1937 definitives in rotogravure:
The same pattern as in Argentina!!!
Rotogravure was the printing method derived from photogravure in which there was not screen! This method was developed by the Nederlandsche Rotogravure Maatschappij [Dutch Rotogravure Company] in Leiden, my home town!
No screen!
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The same pattern as in Argentina!!!
Rotogravure was the printing method derived from photogravure in which there was not screen! This method was developed by the Nederlandsche Rotogravure Maatschappij [Dutch Rotogravure Company] in Leiden, my home town!
No screen!
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There are more Mexican stamps like this but I will continue this under Mexico:
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The following does not really belong here in this thread as it is an example of what can go wrong in a People's Republic!
Poland 1955 - The Kraków Festival - Dni Krakowa:
It looks like this paper comes from a manufacturer of card board!
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Poland 1955 - The Kraków Festival - Dni Krakowa:
It looks like this paper comes from a manufacturer of card board!
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It looks like this paper comes from a manufacturer of card board!
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However, my third value of that series comes with a completely different type of paper! This time it looks like a normal stamp paper!
No brown fibers, no rough surface!
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No brown fibers, no rough surface!
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It intrigued me to find out how the Polish catalogues and handbook did describe that card board paper!
Wood-free paper, thick:
x = creamish and with a very rough surface!
y = white and smooth!
All 3 values on paper X but part of the 2nd printing of the 40gr also on paper Y! Nothing about the 60gr existing on anything else but paper X...
The above details are from the 1960 Handbook of Polish Postage Stamps issued by the Polish State Publishing Organisation "Ruch"! The post-1989 catalogue of Fischer and the 2003 handbook published by A. Kielbasa-Schoeni and S. Fołta more or less copy what was in the 1960 Handbook!
So what is going on????
Two options!
- I have found a hitherto unknown version of the 60gr - paying €0.40 for the 3 values.... Which is a good buy or
- the 1960 Handbook had made a mistake and all copycats haven't bothered to check things out! Which would not be the first time!
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Wood-free paper, thick:
x = creamish and with a very rough surface!
y = white and smooth!
All 3 values on paper X but part of the 2nd printing of the 40gr also on paper Y! Nothing about the 60gr existing on anything else but paper X...
The above details are from the 1960 Handbook of Polish Postage Stamps issued by the Polish State Publishing Organisation "Ruch"! The post-1989 catalogue of Fischer and the 2003 handbook published by A. Kielbasa-Schoeni and S. Fołta more or less copy what was in the 1960 Handbook!
So what is going on????
Two options!
- I have found a hitherto unknown version of the 60gr - paying €0.40 for the 3 values.... Which is a good buy or
- the 1960 Handbook had made a mistake and all copycats haven't bothered to check things out! Which would not be the first time!
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Excellent your post Rein!!
Saludos a todos
Leonardo Daniel Leidi Mora
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Leonardo,leonardoleidi escribió:Excellent your post Rein!!
the author of the 2003 Poland Handbook told me this evening that he had no idea how to describe that type of paper - cardboard like of the Kraków Festival - and no one in his philatelic environment could advise him, that he fell back on the description of the 1960 Handbook! So, indeed as I suspected, played copy-cat!
But he also told me that he has all 3 values with the whiter paper! And the 20gr on paper with the brown fibers! So, it would not surprise me that all 3 values do exist in both types of paper!
And that during 50 years - or maybe even longer than that - stamp collectors had to BELIEVE in a catalogue/handbook inventory and had never asked questions about something that turns out to be a COMPLETE MISREPRESENTATION of reality....
Or as I wrote here before: Don't follow leaders they are only parking meters...
viewtopic.php?f=137&t=3179&p=22533&hilit=parking#p22533
Do not just believe what is written in Yvert, Stanley Gibbons, Michel, Kneitschel, Mello Teggia, Göttig-Jalil or Pettigiani without asking yourselves common sense questions that often arise from what you have noticed in your collection...
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Rhodesia&Nyasaland:
1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
What is very significant is that this stamp still has its original gum although it also has a cancelled to order! So far we had a hypothesis that the soaking off in water might have resulted in a chemical reaction and made the fibers change colour! Most of the Argentina stamps so far with brown fibers are used and hence most likely soaked off....
These stamps are unaffected by water ans so we are left with the option of the air being responsible....
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1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
What is very significant is that this stamp still has its original gum although it also has a cancelled to order! So far we had a hypothesis that the soaking off in water might have resulted in a chemical reaction and made the fibers change colour! Most of the Argentina stamps so far with brown fibers are used and hence most likely soaked off....
These stamps are unaffected by water ans so we are left with the option of the air being responsible....
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Rhodesia&Nyasaland:
1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
same as with the 1/2d!
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1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
same as with the 1/2d!
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Rhodesia&Nyasaland:
1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
same as with the 1/2d!
to be continued ....
1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
same as with the 1/2d!
to be continued ....
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Rhodesia&Nyasaland:
1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
same as with the 1/2d!
to be continued ....
1954 definitives with the portrait of Queen Elisabeth II!
same as with the 1/2d!
to be continued ....