Foro de Filatelia Argentina

The 1882 Letter design stamps of 1/2c, 1c and 12c had been printed in typography by the English Printing House - Bradbury Wilkinson, New Malden.

An adapted design was issued in 1884 and printed by the American Bank Note Company, New York....

Our catalogue M.T. carefully copying what had been written before -



- only mentions a few stamps!

Is that really all there is????


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The stamps pictured in M.T. are the typographed stamps by Bradbury Wilkinson. Count the numbers of "holes" in the top line of the frame: 19 for BW, 33 for ABNCO. The 1885 stamps had been printed in recess by ABNCo and UNLIKE what the ""Id. Grabados" suggests the designs of the 1882 set and the 1884 set are completely different!

The 1/2c typo:



The 1/2c recess:



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The 1c typo:



The 1c recess:



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The 12c typo:



The 12c recess by ABNCo:



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However, the 12c does exist in 2 different variants:

- typographed by Bradbury Wilkinson
- recess printed by Bradbury Wilkinson

If you pay attention to the details you see why! And don't bother about the quality of my stamps!

The 12c typo:



The 12c recess by BW:



in details:

typo:



recess:



typo:



recess:



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From an auction by Liane and Sergio Sismondo - The Classic Collector - Argentina Specialist - L0378:



Scott #54. "Sun and letter" 12 centavos, BradburyWilkinson imperforated proof struck in yellow green and perforated "SPECIMEN" affixed to card, which is a portion of a trade sample book. Superb and Very Rare. Fewer than 5 can exist.

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Coming up with a better copy of the recess BW 12c Sobrecito!



detail of my first copy:



detail of my 2nd copy:



in typo a practical joker in those days?:




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This much neglected stamp has been the subject of a long tradition of philatelists NOT using their eyes or magnifying glasses but having an unbroken belief in what has been written in successive catalogues for more than 120 years now from one copy-cat to another:





Can we not see the delicate lines of engraving in the scroll of "Argentina" and the nerves of the leaves ?





Can we not see the first horizontal line not touching the branch in the upper right corner??? or the delicate parallelogrammes in between the sun-rays??

In the GJ '09 catalogue on the pages 55-57 we find the "Dibujo de una carta" typographed by Bradbury Wilkinson, London; the numbers 63+65 refer to the 12c ultramar that is to have the "sin colita" in 10 out of the 100 stamps of a sheet.

If the number 66 12c azul verdoso would be just a different colour, the use of a different ink whilst still with the same plates, the colita would be there as well. And of course there would NOT be the pointed-out above differences, wouldn't it??

Even if you can not belief that the azul verdoso was printed in recess by Bradbury Wilkinson; and even if you can not find evidence in the Archives, then still the many differences in design between the 12c ultramar and the 12c azul verdoso deserve to be mentioned....



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villa56» 15 Jan 2010 07:38 escribió:

Felicitaciones por tu estudio Rein. Apoyo tu hipótesis de que son distintos grabados. Tomé 2 de tus imágenes y aquí tienes otra prueba para tu estudio.
En el marco del diseño de sobre (donde va el 12), no me refiero a la falta de la línea diagonal, vemos que el marco "pisa" una de las líneas del fondo, en el azul-verdoso, coincide entre medio de 2 líneas.
Nuevamente excelente trabajo. Omar.


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Omar,

thanks, we may go on and on to show the differences probably, but some may still maintain that it is just a matter of a "different shade of blue"

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In 1874 the Hungarian Post Office came up with a new design for their definitives:



Looks familiar!


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The German Michel catalogues used to have quite a good amount of information!




It does mention the recess printed 12c by Bradbury Wilkinson! StichTiefDruck= Recess

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Mello Teggia of 2010 hadn't changed much:



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Rein,
Evidently you have made a great discovery: the rypographed version of the 12c blue also printed in recess!!!. Please let me hnow what is its perforation: 12 or 14.
José
PS. I´ll look up in our library for info about this not recorded in catalogs stamp.
José

Rein,
Evidently you have made a great discovery: the rypographed version of the 12c blue also printed in recess!!!. Please let me hnow what is its perforation: 12 or 14.
José
PS. I´ll look up in our library for info about this not recorded in catalogs stamp.
José

Otin escribió:Rein,
Evidently you have made a great discovery: the rypographed version of the 12c blue also printed in recess!!!. Please let me hnow what is its perforation: 12 or 14.
José
PS. I´ll look up in our library for info about this not recorded in catalogs stamp.
José

José,

it is certainly NOT my discovery! It was known in 1909 by the German Senff catalogue makers!

saludos, Rein