JSM - fake ministerials
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JSM - fake ministerials
Fakes!?
all on paper with a parallel watermark and a vertical direction of paper; the paper mesh is symmetrical as it should before 1938!
Paper is transposed, the dandy-roll in a lying position has RA [ascending or descending]
Compare them with the PyR I Ministerrials:
viewtopic.php?f=137&t=3866
all on paper with a parallel watermark and a vertical direction of paper; the paper mesh is symmetrical as it should before 1938!
Paper is transposed, the dandy-roll in a lying position has RA [ascending or descending]
Compare them with the PyR I Ministerrials:
viewtopic.php?f=137&t=3866
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Yep, they look like forgeries. The MM overprint even seems to be above the cancel.
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jorgec escribió:Yep, they look like forgeries. The MM overprint even seems to be above the cancel.
Jorge,
Yes, but so obvious???
The tops are always rounded off instead of rectangular, the dots are always circular instead of square
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Fakes!?
all on paper with an orthogonal watermark and a horizontal direction of paper; the paper mesh is symmetrical as it should before 1938!
Paper is transposed, the dandy-roll in a lying position has RA upright.
all on paper with an orthogonal watermark and a horizontal direction of paper; the paper mesh is symmetrical as it should before 1938!
Paper is transposed, the dandy-roll in a lying position has RA upright.
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IMO, yes.
It seems:
a) the overprint ink above the postmark ink
b) the type of overprint dont have resamblance
to typo or offset... it seems more like a rubber
(and the happy aligment is not good either)
So even without seeing the stamp in my hands,
I would dare to say that both are fakes (but thats
what I think!) My two forints!
It seems:
a) the overprint ink above the postmark ink
b) the type of overprint dont have resamblance
to typo or offset... it seems more like a rubber
(and the happy aligment is not good either)
So even without seeing the stamp in my hands,
I would dare to say that both are fakes (but thats
what I think!) My two forints!
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Oscar,Ministerial escribió:IMO, yes.
It seems:
a) the overprint ink above the postmark ink
b) the type of overprint dont have resamblance
to typo or offset... it seems more like a rubber
(and the happy aligment is not good either)
So even without seeing the stamp in my hands,
I would dare to say that both are fakes (but thats
what I think!) My two forints!
they still have fillers and forints??? No euro yet?
The Ministerial fakes are indeed so obvious [rounded off, circles] that you wonder why not using a more rectangular design ....
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Nooo, no euros so far, and its not expected to be implemented anytime sooner! (last year, for saving money, they turn off the streetsigns after midnight... ) The greek crisis is just way too famous, but here they have their own "greek tragedy"!!!Rein escribió:they still have fillers and forints??? No euro yet?
I saw them worse... but at least, now they say they're fake! (check mercado libre, there are ones that cannot be unspotted!!! )Rein escribió:The Ministerial fakes are indeed so obvious [rounded off, circles] that you wonder why not using a more rectangular design ....
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The MJI stamp look like a forgery indeed. The MM one might possibly be forgery as well, but it is harder to tell. I don't know if it is an artifact of the scan, but I see on this stamp something that looks like two different overprints. I can't tell if it is just the cancellation, if it is a double strike of the overprint, or if one authentic overprint was modified somehow. Or again, may be it is just the scan; but whatever it is, it makes me harder to judge this stamp.Rein escribió:Fakes!?
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The Ministerial fakes are indeed so obvious [rounded off, circles] that you wonder why not using a more rectangular design ....
Note that not every overprint with the dots more circular than squared is a forgery. Also regarding them being ovious, the obvious forgeries are (obviously) just the ones that are most easily spotted.
Btw, Ministerial, they don't look like a rubber stamp to me.
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The corners of the "M" letters seem too rounded to me...
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Could this be the work of a single European forger? We don't seem to come across these in the Americas.
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
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Nah, we have like these here in Argentina.rubiera escribió:Could this be the work of a single European forger? We don't seem to come across these in the Americas.
Forgeries of the serif (perfiladas) overprint are not common. But forgeries of the overprint without serif (baston) are plentiful.
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Jorge,
why not publish the known forgeries???? I will do so with the ones I see and recognize as such!
why not publish the known forgeries???? I will do so with the ones I see and recognize as such!