P y R I 1c Sarmiento
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P y R I 1c Sarmiento
The 1ct1E1
This stamp is surprisingly rare. It was used mostly in mid to late 1937.
A dated specimen showing early use.
Here are two back scans showing the watermark (1E1).
This is the earliest cover I have. It is postmarked May of 1937.
This stamp is surprisingly rare. It was used mostly in mid to late 1937.
A dated specimen showing early use.
Here are two back scans showing the watermark (1E1).
This is the earliest cover I have. It is postmarked May of 1937.
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
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blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
1c1E1 plating, left pane, MH varieties
I find only a small number of overprint varieties on this left side pane of 100. The complete plate has 10 rows and 20 columns (200 stamps).
Position 1
Position 21
Position 101
I find only a small number of overprint varieties on this left side pane of 100. The complete plate has 10 rows and 20 columns (200 stamps).
Position 1
Position 21
Position 101
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
1c1E1 plating, left pane, rows 1 and 6
This plating is of the left pane of the 1c plate that was used beginning October 1, 1935. The complete pane has 20 columns and 10 rows (200 stamps). This plate was composed in die blocks of 5 by 5 in a grid of two vertical die squares by four horizontal die squares. If you add 100 to the plate positions in the top half of this half sheet, you should find a similar position in the lower half of this left hand pane.
Position 3
Position 8
Position 103
Position 108
This plating is of the left pane of the 1c plate that was used beginning October 1, 1935. The complete pane has 20 columns and 10 rows (200 stamps). This plate was composed in die blocks of 5 by 5 in a grid of two vertical die squares by four horizontal die squares. If you add 100 to the plate positions in the top half of this half sheet, you should find a similar position in the lower half of this left hand pane.
Position 3
Position 8
Position 103
Position 108
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
1c1E1 plating, left pane, rows 2 and 7
Here are the second and seventh rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 21
Position 23
Position 24
Position 28
Position 29
Position 123
Position 128
Here are the second and seventh rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 21
Position 23
Position 24
Position 28
Position 29
Position 123
Position 128
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
1c1E1 plating, left pane, rows 3 and 8
Here are the third and eight rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 41
Position 43
Position 45
Position 46
Position 50
Position 141
Position 145
Position 146
Position 150
Here are the third and eight rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 41
Position 43
Position 45
Position 46
Position 50
Position 141
Position 145
Position 146
Position 150
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
1c1E1 plating, left pane, rows 4 and 9
Here are the fourth and ninth rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 61
Position 62
Position 65
Position 66
Position 161
Position 166
Here are the fourth and ninth rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 61
Position 62
Position 65
Position 66
Position 161
Position 166
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
1c1E1 plating, left pane, rows 5 and 10
Here are the fifth and tenth rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 81
Position 83
Position 84
Position 86
Position 88
Position 89
Position 181
Position 183
Position 184
Position 186
Position 188
Position 189
Here are the fifth and tenth rows. The plate varieties match well for these two rows.
Position 81
Position 83
Position 84
Position 86
Position 88
Position 89
Position 181
Position 183
Position 184
Position 186
Position 188
Position 189
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
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Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
Tony,rubiera escribió:The 1ct1E1
This stamp is surprisingly rare. It was used mostly in mid to late 1937.
A dated specimen showing early use.
Here are two back scans showing the watermark (1E1).
This is the earliest cover I have. It is postmarked May of 1937.
are we referring to the offset-litho version or the typography? here??
According ot Pettigiani the typography version is known since November 1936!! So this must be the typography one
Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
Yes, typography for the 1ct1E discussion. I am mixing both in the same post. The plating is for the litho version.
sitio Ingles/Español de P y R I
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
http://www.somestamps.com/arg3551/index.htm
sitio general:
http://www.somestamps.com/
blog de P y R I en Ingles
http://arg3551.blogspot.com/
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Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
rubiera escribió:Yes, typography for the 1ct1E discussion. I am mixing both in the same post. The plating is for the litho version.
Tony,
I think the 't' is too inconspicuous for me! I read it as "ct" for "centavos"!
Maybe a "T" would be better!
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Great job Tony!
Root block of 5x5 will result in leaps of 5 [both horizontal and vertical] to have the same characteristics again.
Stamp 3 and 8 and 13 and 18! But also 103 and 108 and 113 and 118!
All your stamps have type I - i.e. no break in the lower right corner of the stamp:
Root block of 5x5 will result in leaps of 5 [both horizontal and vertical] to have the same characteristics again.
Stamp 3 and 8 and 13 and 18! But also 103 and 108 and 113 and 118!
All your stamps have type I - i.e. no break in the lower right corner of the stamp:
Compare your position 41 with my position 141!!!!The 1c D.F. Sarmiento has 2 types when you look at the right bottom corner.
Type I [is it really the oldest one??] has NO break, type II has a tiny break. A real First Day Cover might give evidence:
The root block here is 5x5 what we can tell by the characteristics in blue and green!
1st column, 8th row:
Same row but 5 columns to the right; 6th column, 8th row:
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Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
Tony,rubiera escribió:1c1E1 plating, left pane, rows 1 and 6
This plating is of the left pane of the 1c plate that was used beginning October 1, 1935. The complete pane has 20 columns and 10 rows (200 stamps). This plate was composed in die blocks of 5 by 5 in a grid of two vertical die squares by four horizontal die squares. If you add 100 to the plate positions in the top half of this half sheet, you should find a similar position in the lower half of this left hand pane.
Position 3
Position 8
Position 103
Position 108
all your stamps are type I - no break in the right lower corner frame!
Yet it seems that both your pane with type I and my pane with type II have the SAME root block:
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Re: P y R I 1c Sarmiento
The 1c D.F. Sarmiento on Wiggins Teape paper with parallel watermark, symmetrical paper mesh and density 30/20; Brown fibers!!!!
Anyone any doubt???? Or is this just a Dutch privilege????
Type I - no break in the frame!
And even an occasional red fiber!!
to be continued ....
Anyone any doubt???? Or is this just a Dutch privilege????
Type I - no break in the frame!
And even an occasional red fiber!!
to be continued ....
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The 1c D.F. Sarmiento on Wiggins Teape paper with parallel watermark, symmetrical paper mesh and density 30/20; Brown fibers!!!!
Type II - break in the frame!
to be continued ....
Type II - break in the frame!
to be continued ....
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Type II with the break in the frame seems to be in first place chronologically when it goes to the stamps on Stinnes paper and a horizontal direction of paper! From late 1939 onwards! This must be around the time the 1939 Housing Congress was printed on German [Stinnes] paper:
04.12.1939
to be continued ....
04.12.1939
to be continued ....
Última edición por Rein el 10 May 2012 16:14, editado 1 vez en total.