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Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 21 Jul 2009 02:41
por Rein
Rein escribió:Sergio,

The 2nd copy of your stamp does not curl - the one at the right - so I am not sure the direction of paper is vertical. From your original scan I would say that the direction of paper is horizontal as well. In that case we have 2 different watermarks, not a turn of 90 degrees of the unprinted sheet....

Please show me a better scan of that stamp!
Nestor,

I still have my doubts and maintain the above request although I realize a scan might not help much!

The right-hand stamp is a lot thicker as you have measured AND it is a mint stamp with full gum so it may not curl at all or slightly along the long axis. And that does NOT necessarily mean the direction of paper is along the long axis!!!! I have had my doubt about many gummed stamps and eventually had the gum removed to find out the curling had tricked me..... Only by magnifying the uncovered surface we may see the preference of the fibres better and unfortunately I have not been able to make good scans that can show us that ;)

Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 21 Jul 2009 03:58
por Rein
Nestor, Sergio

I made a quick survey of that period:

axis is short side of stamp - "m":

1964 Folklore festival; Orcadas; Neubery, Brochero *; Tokio; NU; Gonzales; Roca *
1965 Tierra del Fuego; Espacio; Aeronautica; Escritores; Policia; Dario *

axis is long side of stamp - '"M":

1964 Brochero *; Tokio lisiados; Roca *;
1965 Yrigoyen; Cagliero; Dante; Chubut; Ley 1420; Dario *; Esquiu

Most stamps have an orthogonal watermark except: Yrigoyen; Cagliero; Chubut. Seems that they are the remainders of imported paper.

In 3 stamps both directions are there on orthogonal watermark: Brochero; Roca and Dario, all in photogravure!!! None are mentioned in the catalogues..... I will make scans today!

Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 21 Jul 2009 04:49
por Rein
The few stamps with parallel watermark:

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Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 21 Jul 2009 08:50
por Sarcosis
Rein, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge, Today I will post a new scan so you can see de watermark. Rein, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge, Today I will post a new scan so you can see de watermark. Perhaps, now reading what Nestor said, my mistake is that i consider the common stamp as the variety and the variety stamp as the common one...

Thank Nestor, Rein and Luis, for the help

Sergio.

Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 21 Jul 2009 12:13
por patagonian
Bueno, no voy a lavar estos sellos a ver si se curvan en sentido opuesto... el fin de semana repasaré el stock de usados a ver qué encuentro.

Por otra parte tengo registrados también estos sellos con las dos orientaciones de filigrana (no catalogado), para agregar a la lista:

Pt 688 - Papa Juan XXIII.
Pt 718 - Dante Alighieri.
Pt 735 - 500p Caza mayor en los lagos del Sur (ciervo).
También con tonalidad verde apenas amarillento.


Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 21 Jul 2009 13:07
por Rein
Also have a look at these commemorative stamps with different watermarks and not mentioned in the catalogues:

686 Brochero:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1922


697 Roca:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1923


723 Dario:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1924

Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 23 Jul 2009 12:45
por Rein
Also have a look at these commemorative stamps with different watermarks and not mentioned in the catalogues:

688 Pope John XXIII - as announced by Nestor:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1940


698 Carlos Morel:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1941

Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 23 Jul 2009 16:35
por Rein
Also have a look at these commemorative stamps with different watermarks and not mentioned in the catalogues:


685 John F. Kennedy:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1943


778 Juan de las Heras:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1942

Re: PT 701 - Variedades

Publicado: 23 Jul 2009 17:23
por Rein
Also have a look at these commemorative stamps with different watermarks and not mentioned in the catalogues:

675 1963 Transmision del Mando:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1944

A42 1956 Niños:

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... f=3&t=1945