1952 Eva Peron definitives

[Rein]

The right half of the top pane:






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[PabloS]

I'll be posting stamps of a "special" batch that came a few days ago, and using my VK catalog of recent acquisition, show the first:

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When Kneitschel said: "position number 80 in the left half of the sheet of 200 stamps", actually would be referring to the position number 150 of the sheet.

[Rein]

I'll be posting stamps of a "special" batch that came a few days ago, and using my VK catalog of recent acquisition, show the first:

Graphic1ingles.jpg

When Kneitschel said: "position number 80 in the left half of the sheet of 200 stamps", actually would be referring to the position number 150 of the sheet.

Pablo,

Victor Kneitschel does not mention the fact that the Evitas had been printed in two panes of 200!

As they are not in my top pane they must be in the bottom pane! As you have the right part of the bottom pane and it is not there, it should be - as Kneitschel suggests - be in the left half of the bottom pane! So indeed in position 150 counting the full bottom pane of 20x10! That is, in the the 8th horizontal row on the number 10 position (counting from left to right).....

Why would Kneitschel express him self so badly???? He did know that a complete pane was measuring 20x10? So, why referring to the left half??? Very unlikely for him not having seen the right half on that same pane...

[PabloS]

I'll be posting stamps of a "special" batch that came a few days ago, and using my VK catalog of recent acquisition, show the first:

Graphic1ingles.jpg

When Kneitschel said: "position number 80 in the left half of the sheet of 200 stamps", actually would be referring to the position number 150 of the sheet.

Pablo,

Victor Kneitschel does not mention the fact that the Evitas had been printed in two panes of 200!

As they are not in my top pane they must be in the bottom pane! As you have the right part of the bottom pane and it is not there, it should be - as Kneitschel suggests - be in the left half of the bottom pane! So indeed in position 150 counting the full bottom pane of 20x10! That is, in the the 8th horizontal row on the number 10 position (counting from left to right).....

Why would Kneitschel express him self so badly???? He did know that a complete pane was measuring 20x10? So, why referring to the left half??? Very unlikely for him not having seen the right half on that same pane...

Very well explained Rein! The theme of the two panes (top and bottom) is something not very taken into account. This should be more important if the variety is one of them only.

Saludos. Pablo.

[PabloS]

In this new post will show two blocks of four stamps of Evita 1c Zárate paper. In the first block we see two flaws in the stamp number 2; First, the "O" C"O"RREOS with broken inner circle. The second, a brown point interrupts the framework at the height of the second "N" of ARGENTI"N"A.

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In the second block, not observed any flaws in the "O"; however we again see the brown point that matches the previous block in shape, size and location.

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Saludos. Pablo.

[Rein]

Pablo,

This "dot" looks exactly like a "spanjool" or offset-litho circle:



For the explanation see:

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The fact that you have it twice does not prove it is not a spanjool! It can stay on the rubber cylinder for quite some time, enough to have printed a lot of sheets! The other dirt in the O" is more likely to be there "by accident" as it should appear in both blocks of four!

[PabloS]

Well, the last few days I got a block (with their respective edges) whose stamps correspond to the positions: 13-20, 33-40, 53-60, 73-80, 93-100, 113-120, 133-140, 153-160, 173-180, 193-200 (whose image has been shown in previous posts). The stamp below corresponds to position No. 94, which notes the incomplete "O" of C"O"RREOS.

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Saludos. Pablo.

[Rein]

Well, the last few days I got a block (with their respective edges) whose stamps correspond to the positions: 13-20, 33-40, 53-60, 73-80, 93-100, 113-120, 133-140, 153-160, 173-180, 193-200 (whose image has been shown in previous posts). The stamp below corresponds to position No. 94, which notes the incomplete "O" of C"O"RREOS.

Graphic11ingles.jpg

Saludos. Pablo.

Pablo,

what do the margins look like???? The right margin has a brown vertical bar! But what about the top or bottom margin??? If the top margin has the brown bar it is the bottom pane! If it is the other way around with the bottom margin having the brown bar it is the top pane????

You'd better always mention which pane if you have enough margins to establish that!

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[PabloS]

You're right Rein! Here show the scanning of my pane:

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As you can see, margins top and right have brown bar. Then the block is part of the right bottom pane.

Saludos. Pablo.

[PabloS]

Continuing with the above block, in position N ° 55-56 we can see the central stick of the letter E elongated:

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Saludos. Pablo.

[Rein]

The Peso values in photogravure seem to have TWO different perforations, although you can not always tell that from a single stamp - sometimes not even from a strip or block!

The comb perforation has a base of 17 teeth, the perforation runs from bottom to top!

The Coated Asymmetrical Parallel Watermark [Wiggins Teape Tizado Rayado Vertical or TI3] and B17:



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[Rein]

The Peso values in photogravure seem to have TWO different perforations, although you can not always tell that from a single stamp - sometimes not even from a strip or block!

The comb perforation has a base of 25 teeth, the perforation runs from right to left!

The Coated Asymmetrical Parallel Watermark [Wiggins Teape Tizado Rayado Vertical or TI3] and B25:



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[Rein]

For those who want to see the watermark as well


the Coated Asymmetrical Parallel Watermark [Wiggins Teape Tizado Rayado Vertical or TI3] and B25:



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[Rein]

The plate flaws of the Evitas are getting more and more popular! Which is a good thing! But when we refer to the Kneitschel 1958 catalogues we will not get the right information!



He is of course right in saying that it will take a lot of space in dealing with all plate characteristics - 60 pages at least - but what he could have done at least was giving us information about the sizes of the printing sheets of the Evita's!!

As we have seen here before - and the nice discoveries made by Pablo Salas were clear enough - is that a printing sheet consists of at least TWO panes that were placed on top of each other. The utmost right margins have a vertical coloured bar for both panes!

In between the two panes - each with 20x10 stamps - there is a similar horizontal coloured bar divided among the two panes...

The top pane has a perforation extension of ONE pin in the top margin, the bottom pane has that extension of ONE pin in the bottom margin! The bridge between the two panes are perforated throughout!

The utmost left margin has no extension and the utmost right margin has been perforated throughout!

Why don't we get such information???? And why was Kneitschel referring to a left half and a right half???? "Mitad izquierda" and "mitad derecha"?

And mentioning positions within these halves whereas the sheet pane measured 20x10 and NOT 10x10!!!!!

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[Rein]

Muy Buenos Días a todos los compañeros de ultramar. Me alegro ver que somos unos cuantos en compartir una afición por esos sellos de Evita. Estoy intentando clarificar el tema de las variedades en los sellos de baja denominación con la idea de recopilar los datos. Mientras tanto voy agregrando unos scans de la variedad del 10c roto que tengo en mi colección, así com la forma en que voy estudiando las filigranas.
Un saludo a todos, amigos argentinos.
Philippe

What we see here are TWO different positions! At the top position 200 of the bottom pane! At the bottom position 200 of the top pane!

In both cases we have Wiggins Teape paper as what we can see from the watermark RA descending!

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