Foro de Filatelia Argentina

The animals definitives have been printed in offset-litho {10, 20, 50c] or typography [50c, 1p]. The is some variety in watermarks:

The 10c first....

Orthogonal watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper vertical:




Orthogonal watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper horizontall:





Typical here is that the Servicio Oficial stamps have different watermark than the stamps without S.O.!

Allo stamps have the paper wire at the front of the stamp and are thus with transposed watermark (filigrana traspuesta) .....

The 20c ....

Orthogonal watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper horizontall:







Orthogonal watermark with a symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper vertical:




All stamps have the paper wire at the front of the stamp and are thus with transposed watermark (filigrana traspuesta) .....

The 1p ....

Orthogonal watermark with an symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper horizontal:




This 1p stamp was issued in a quickly appearing and disapperaring range of 1p stamps in just a few years - Ganaderia, Caballo criollo and Girasol!

This stamps shows no paper varieties as far as I know...

The 50c ....

The 50c is the most complicated of these animals! Let us start with the stamps printed in offset-litho on uncoated paper!

Orthogonal watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper horizontal:







Orthogonal watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper vertical:




to be continued.....

Orthogonal watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper vertical:




Orthogonal watermark with a symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper vertical:




to be continued.....

Parallel watermark with an a-symmetrical paper wire and the direction of paper vertical:




to be continued.....

Finding constant plate characteristics is not so easy. In offset-litho a lot of dots and specks can occur at random. and when you think you have found some that occur more than once you still can be deceived!

Búsqueda de características de placa constante no es tan fácil. En litografía offset un montón de puntos y manchas pueden ocurrir al azar. y cuando usted cree que ha encontrado algunos que se presentan más de una vez usted todavía puede ser engañado









The extra dots seem to belong to the green colour when you look at them witht he naked eye or a magnifying glass, however after scanning, you begin to realize that they are part of the black plate that belongs to the "S. Oficial"!

Los puntos extra parecen pertenecer al color verde cuando se mira con él a simple vista o una lupa, sin embargo después de la exploración, usted comienza a darse cuenta de que forman parte de la plancha de negro que pertenece a la "S. Oficial"!


In the lower right corner however a real green dot seems to exist!

En la esquina inferior derecha sin embargo, un punto verde real parece existir!





In the "overprint" a lot of extra dots seem to occur! Some are constant some may be at random!

En la sobreimpresión "" un montón de puntos extras parecen ocurrir! Algunos son constantes, algunos pueden ser al azar!

Most paper discussed here belong to the so-called Zarate national papers. The subdivision made in the 2008 Tabla General may be valid in the series as well. All stamps of the Tabla however were printed in offset-litho, whereas several of the Animal set had been printed in typography.

La mayoría de papel discutido aquí pertenecen a los llamados Zárate periódicos nacionales. La subdivisión realizada en la Tabla General 2008 puede ser válido en la serie también. Todos los sellos de la Tabla sin embargo fueron impresos en litografía offset-, mientras que varios de los de los animales se habían impreso en tipografía.



The major subdivision seems to be the non-blanco versus the blanco, chronolgically before or after 1957. As the animals had all been issued after 1957, we may expect only "blanco"? Is that true??? And how do we establish that???

La subdivisión principal parece ser la no-blanco contra el blanco, cronológicamente, antes o después de 1957. Como los animales habían sido expedidos después de 1957, podemos esperar que sólo "blanco"? ¿Es cierto??? Y ¿cómo podemos establecer que???

The second subdivision seems to be whether the orthogonal watermark - and there had been only the ortogonal watermark - has the line of AЯ runs parallel to the short side of the stamp (before 1957, non-blanco) or parallel to the long side of the stamp [after 1957 or blanco). We have seen a mix of that in the Animals so far! Is that systematical?

La segunda subdivisión parece ser si la marca de agua ortogonales - y sólo había la marca de agua ortogonal - tiene la línea de AЯ corre paralelo al lado corto de la marca (antes de 1957, la no-blanco) o paralela a la parte larga de la sello [después de 1957 o blanco). Hemos visto una mezcla de que en los animales hasta el momento! Es que la sistemática?

This stamps shows no paper varieties as far as I know...

I thought I would never hear that from you.....

zakur escribió:

This stamps shows no paper varieties as far as I know...

I thought I would never hear that from you.....

Really, I will have to disclaim that pretty soon, having found at least 2 different types of paper yesterday ....

En serio, voy a tener que renuncian a que muy pronto, después de haber encontrado al menos 2 tipos diferentes de papel de ayer ....

Clearly symmetrical - claramente simétrica:





Unclear - No claro:





Clearly asymmetrical - claramente asimétrica:

I knew that colud not be right.....

Sabía que no podía ser....

I can't help it that the Zarate paper manufacturers were not able to produce a constant type of paper for security printers! Nor that the demands of the Casa de Moneda were apparently rather low as quality goes!

GOOGLE:

No puedo evitar que los fabricantes de papel Zárate no fueron capaces de producir un tipo constante de papel para impresoras de seguridad! Ni de que las exigencias de la Casa de Moneda, aparentemente bastante baja calidad, como va!

The 50c Puma on coated paper has several watemarks it seems both can you see them???

Pockmarked coated - Papel tizado varioloso:




Pockmarks - varioloso:



Coated no pockmarks - Papel tizado no varioloso: