Hexagonal watermark transposed or normal!

[Rein]

Transposed paper - the wire side had been printed - of these stamps with hexagonal watermark:







the grooves can be seen on the front of the paper - the grooves are supposedly always representing the wire side of the paper!

A rather long one as well on the same stamp!





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[Rein]

However, we should expect the normal version as well!! With the grooves [surcos] at the gummed side.





to be continued ...

[Rein]

However, we should expect the normal version as well!! With the grooves [surcos] at the gummed side.





to be continued ...

[Rein]

However, we should expect the normal version as well!! With the grooves [surcos] at the gummed side - at the left.



Or no grooves!



to be continued ...

[Rein]

However, we should expect the normal version as well!! Without grooves [surcos] at the gummed side.





to be continued ...

[Rein]

However, we should expect the normal version as well!! With the grooves [surcos] at the gummed side.





to be continued ...

[Rein]

However, we should expect the normal version as well!! With the grooves [surcos] at the gummed side.





to be continued ...

[Otin]

Rein:
Your remark is a good one but in those times paper was gummed after printing, which means the workers didn´t pay too much attention to what side they were applying the gum on.
José

[Otin]

Rein:
Your remark is a good one but in those times paper was gummed after printing, which means the workers didn´t pay too much attention to what side they were applying the gum on.
José

[Rein]

Rein:
Your remark is a good one but in those times paper was gummed after printing, which means the workers didn´t pay too much attention to what side they were applying the gum on.
José

José,

you are not saying what you wan to say!

as the stamp paper got gummed after the printing, the Casa de Moneda workers did not pay too much attention to what side they were PRINTING!

saludos, Rein

[Rein]

We should ask ourselves whether the difference between the transposed paper and the normal Italian paper with hexagonal watermark is not bigger than the difference between the German and the Italian hexagonals???





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[Otin]

Rein,
I suspect German paper was done with an intaglio dandy roll.
José
Sospecha que el pael alemán fue hecho con un bailarín en bajo relieve.
Merlo

[Rein]

Rein,
I suspect German paper was done with an intaglio dandy roll.
José
Sospecha que el pael alemán fue hecho con un bailarín en bajo relieve.
Merlo

José,

what is typical for the italian paper is that the contour itself shows the felt-like fibers whereas the German paper NEVER shows any felt-like fibers within the contours or even outside!

saludos, Rein

P.S. we are in Poland now, in Wieliczka

[Otin]

Rein,
I think I don´t quite understand what you mean by "felt-like". On the other hand I think German paper has a diffrent calender treatment, making that paper a sort of "mate lustroso".
José

[Rein]

Rein,
I think I don´t quite understand what you mean by "felt-like". On the other hand I think German paper has a diffrent calender treatment, making that paper a sort of "mate lustroso".
José

José,

have a good like at the outline of the hexagonals and you will see that the fibers look different from those within the hexagonals.... The German has been treated maybe as you said and that makes it quite "hard" and compact. Italian paper is softer and may remind us of the RR nitidos... These characteristics suffice for me and have nothing to do with shape of the watermark or its neatness.



saludos, Rein